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one of the most wanted men on earth reported killed. saddam hussein's key lieutenant, a man with isis connections. what does this mean for the fight against terror? it can happen to anyone. the words of the tulsa reserve deputy who shot and killed an unarmed man as he speaks publicly for the first time. what he says happened that day. it's time to end the anguish. an emotional plea for the parents of the 8-year-old boy killed in the boston marathon bombing. his face still mets my heart. why they say they do not want dzhokhar tsarnaev to get the
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death penalty. hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. >> i'm john berman. we have breaking news for you this morning. word that one of the most infamous killers in iraq is dead. iraqi tv is reporting that izzat ibrahim al douri was killed in a military operation near tikrit. al douri was a key aide to saddam hussein. you can see him there. a serious player. the king of clubs in the u.s. military's deck of cards of most wanted iraqis. he was part of the insurgency during the occupation and more recently he had been connected to isis. he could have been a crucial player in helping isis take over huge chunks of iraq. >> he's the last of saddam hussein's top men to be captured. let's go to london for more on this. iraqis are calling this a huge moment. >> we're still waiting for dna test results to confirm with 100% certainty that this is izzat ibrahim al douri but a family face to many viewers
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especially those who watched the early days of our reporting after the u.s. invasion of iraq in 2003. you mentioned he was one of the most wanted by the united states in 2003 was the king of clubs in that deck of cards of 55 most wanted iraqis. there you see him. he had red hair, red mustache. a recognizable face. in fact, iraqi tv issued a very graphic photo of a body saying that this is the corpse of izzat ibrahim al douri and that he was killed just east of tikrit. that was retaken by isis by iraqi government forces and shiite militia in a convoy along with several other people believed to be his bodyguards. and he is one of the most high profile fugitives still on the loose. one of those 55 in that deck of cards. now, as we mentioned -- as i mentioned, we're waiting for the dna tests to be conducted and
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for results to come to us. and to confirm his identity. if it's the case that this man has been killed, he was 72 years old. it would be quite a victory as iraqi forces and shiite militia allies are battling for key cities from isis. so this comes at a crucial time in that particular battle and you mentioned izzat ibrahim al douri was thought to be operationally important within isis and believed he had some role as well in the establishment of al qaeda in iraq. the precursor of isis. back to you. >> we'll continue to explore that throughout the hour. thank you so much. big news out of iraq. the tulsa reserve deputy charged with second-degree manslaughter in the shooting death of an unarmed man is speaking publicly for the first time. it was earlier this month that robert bates says he mistook his gun for his taser when he
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accidentally shot and killed eric harris during an undercover sting. bates described the moment that he fired that fatal shot to nbc. >> oh my god. what has happened? the laser light is the same on each weapon. i saw the light and i squeezed the trigger and then realized it and dropped the gun. this was not an intentional thing. i had no desire to ever take anyone's life. >> this interview comes one day after a report that claims that tulsa sheriff's office employees were told to forge the training records for bates. i want to bring in cnn's ed lavandera. a lot going on today. some big developments here. >> reporter: good morning, john. many people trying to figure out how a trained deputy, reserve deputy with tulsa sheriff's department could mistake his
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handgun for -- a yellow taser for his handgun. the taser strapped to his chest and small handgun on his side. mr. bates described how that mistake could have happened. it really gets down to the question of his training and with the tulsa world newspaper report questioning the training and many people wondering whether or not a 73-year-old reserve deputy should have been part of that undercover sting operation. mr. bates was asked about those training records and his own training and he says he was properly trained and well equipped to be on those streets. >> that's not correct. i have a written piece of paper that a man now in jail for first-degree murder signed off to say i had done a good job. >> without getting off on a tangent, you did the training and you can prove that you are certified? >> that is absolutely the truth. i have it in writing.
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>> reporter: what mr. bates is referring to there is the lawyer for mr. bates believes one of the sources for this is a former sheriff's department employee who is no longer with the department and is sitting in jail accused of murder. so they are discrediting that report. the newspaper says they have five sources in all that corroborated this story. all of this very interesting. in the background here, more than a week ago we filed an open records request with the sheriff's department asking for personal records and training records for mr. bates and we were denied saying the matter was under investigation but the sheriff here in tulsa county is saying that at least some of perhaps the gun certification records might have been lost. they are trying to track those down. these questions still under a great deal of scrutiny. >> the records key to this
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discussion. key to finding out what happened. >> the paper trail and where holes are seem to be getting more and more complex and confusing. >> twisted paper trail. thanks so much. new developments this morning in a senate delay now of historic proportions. loretta lynch waiting 160 days and counting for a vote on her nomination to be attorney general. she would be the first african-american woman in that post. right now politics is standing in the way. >> there is a heavy dose of politics at play here we should emphasize because the delay -- because the delay over lynch's nomination has little to do with her qualifications. right now senate leaders from both parties indicate a solution might be in the works. later this hour we'll hear from president obama. he's going to speak live in a press conference. one issue very likely that could be brought up is this battle over his pick to be the next attorney general. let's get over to the white house where sunlen serfaty is. you can expect that could be one of the questions coming up in
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this press conference. kind of lay the playing field for us if you will on where things stand on this nomination? >> reporter: some on capitol hill are calling this purgatory for loretta lynch and holdout will continue until early next week because senators wrapped up work for the week and are headed home now for the weekend indicating that there is potential they'll compromise early next week. now, the issue is over this other unrelated issue that is standing in the way of loretta lynch's confirmation over this anti-human trafficking bill and the controversial provision in there about abortion, which democrats are not happy with. now democratic and republican sources say on that human trafficking bill there is potential for compromise. they are working to tweak the language to make it more amenable to democrats and senate majority leader mitch mcconnell coming out saying they believe they'll move forward to vote on the human trafficking bill and that means they'll move forward with the loretta lynch vote soon
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after. on the white house they have been really ramping up their rhetoric on this. much more combative than tone. they call this holdup shameful. >> she's waited now more than twice as long as the previous seven attorneys general nominees combined to get a vote on the floor of the united states senate. that there is no excuse or explanation for it. >> reporter: by cnn's tally, we believe that if she's going to a confirmation vote, loretta lynch has enough republican support to win her confirmation. if, of course, that moves forward to a vote. harry reid said that he's also threatening a move that he could potentially force a vote on this if republicans don't move quickly. john and kate? >> thank you so much. when the president's news conference begins, we'll bring that to you live.
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that will happen later this hour. a lot of questions facing him today. >> a lot to say on that subject. an ohio man in court at this hour charged with plotting to kill american soldiers. anyone in uniform. where he trained and how he was caught. take the death penalty off the table. why the parents of martin richard, the young boy killed in the boston marathon bombing, are asking that dzhokhar tsarnaev spend the rest of his life in prison without the possibility of parole and not be put to death. if yand you're talking toevere rheumyour rheumatologiste me, about a biologic... this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage. this is humira giving me new perspective. doctors have been prescribing humira for ten years. humira works for many adults. it targets and helps to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to ra symptoms.
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past. i have thought to myself after reading several cases i don't understand how this can happen. you must believe me, it can happen to anyone. >> he says it can happen to anyone. let's bring in former nypd detective and law enforcement consultant. tom, it's really been interesting to lean on your expertise on this because this is an area not a lot of folks know about, about reserve deputies and what their role is but specifically this issue of the mistake of grabbing the gun when he wanted to grab the taser. he laid out clearly. the taser was here. gun is positioned here. how do you explain the mistake? >> we talked about this a couple days ago. this was brought up this morning on the show he was on where generally you are taser will not be on the same side as your firearm. if you are a right-handed shooter like i am, your firearm on your right-hand side on the
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gun belt and taser on the nonshooting side purposely to differentiate if you have to reach for it, go way across your body to get it. in his case, he claims his taser was tucked up in his vest. again, with the proper amount of training, how do you mistake one for the other? >> he is yelling taser while this is happening. >> while reaching for something clearly not a taser. that's an unbelievable tragic error and not to say that mr. harris was an angel by any stretch of the imagination but he didn't deserve to be killed for what he was doing. >> bates also laid out some more of the sort of map and frame work for where he was and what he was doing. i want to play one more piece of sound. >> two other cars were in front. i was the last car as i always am. i carry the equipment that the
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deputies use to clear a scene. whatever. i've been involved in several hundred of these. i do cleanup when they're done. i take notes. i take photographs. and that's my job. >> he says he was the last car. he was way back. he was waiting to go snap photos and this whole mess came to him, which is why he had to use the taser. wasn't expecting to be there. he was. is that plausible to you? >> well, it seems as if his role as a deputy was a cleanup role. he would come in and be the cleanup guy and take photos and clean up the scene. there was clearly active scene where you have active police officers there handling this. there were a number of them. seems as if they already physically kind of had him on the ground so you would think that if they needed additional assistance, especially from someone who is acting in a support role, they would maybe ask for it if they couldn't do it themselves. >> is that how that works in the
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heat of the moment? you know, he would lean on -- it was heat of the moment. i was trying to do what i could. we were trying to take this guy out. we didn't know he was unarmed is what he says. in the heat of the moment, as a reserve deputy is it their job to wait to get the instruction from other officers? >> again, you had had on duty active full-fledged police officers there that were in the midst of this struggle. they had him on the ground. the guy is struggling as a lot of perpetrators do when they don't want to be arrested especially for a gun charge. he was going to give the cops a hard time without a doubt. the cops were going to have to use probably large amount of physical force to get him down and maybe even use a taser. again, if someone will come in who is supposed to be there as a support role and start firing a taser around, i would want to clear out of the way and maybe ask for that assistance. >> your experience is it would have been the full-fledged real -- >> i would imagine there's a good possibility that some of those guys were already armed with tasers as well.
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if they saw fit to use a taser, i think they would have used it unless no one was armed with a taser and then you could ask for support people to come in. he took a real big risk going in there. if he's supposed to act in a support role, he took a big risk getting in the midst of this thing unfold. >> it speaks to the issue of how much training was there and was there enough. that's a whole separate conversation because there is a complicated paper trail in dispute and a lot to discuss on that. tom, great to see you. thank you so much. >> any time. >> ahead for us "at this hour," an emotional request from the parents who lost their 8-year-old son in the boston marathon bombing. why they do not want dzhokhar tsarnaev to die for his role in the attack. why they want him to sit behind bars for the rest of his life. okay, listen up! i'm re-workin' the menu. mayo? corn dogs? you are so outta here! aah! [ female announcer ] the complete balanced nutrition of great-tasting ensure. 24 vitamins and minerals, antioxidants,
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to end the anguish drop the death penalty. that's the powerful message this morning from the grieving parents of the youngest victim of the boston bombing marathon, 8-year-old martin richard. his parents, bill and denise, have written a powerful piece in the boston globe to explain why they now oppose the death penalty for convicted bomber dzhokhar tsarnaev. they say the past two years have been the trying of our lives. they also say now they are urging the justice department to bring the case to a close and take the death penalty off the table. >> i want to read to you how they explain this difficult decision. it's very, very moving here. they say we understand all too well the heinousness and brutality of the crimes committed. we were there. we lived it. the defendant murdered our 8-year-old son, maimed our 7-year-old daughter and stole part of our soul.
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we know the government has its reasons for seeking the death penalty but the continued pursuit of that punishment could bring years of appeals and prolong reliving the most painful day of our lives. we hope our two remaining children do not have to grow up with the lingering painful reminder of what the defendant took from them which years of appeals would undoubtedly bring. we want to bring in cnn legal analyst mark o'mara. when you read something like that from the victim's family, what affect does that have on the sentencing phase of the trial and this jury that will decide dzhokhar tsarnaev's faith? >> the victim's family interests are on the side as much punishment as you can. that gut reaction to killing a young one would be to kill somebody else. i think it should be listened to. i think you can understand what
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the family is going through. if they made peace with themselves over the loss of their child and they say no more death, even the death that might be deserved, i think that they should be listened to. i think that's an incite that most of our legislators need to get. the problem with the death penalty is it doesn't give closure that people think about when they want it. it is done with people after having a death penalty imposed on the person who killed a loved one. they don't feel that closure. they don't feel a sense of relief. it's only another death. if they found their place of peace, let them have it. >> other victims of this bombing they feel differently. that's understandable. and the richard family acknowledge that in their statement that this is very personal to everyone. i do wonder with that in mind, does the jury hear this? does the jury see this? has this become part of the penalty phase? >> absolutely. first of all, the penalty phase itself is wide open.
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the defendant team gets to put on almost anything. mitigation they'll put on is wide open. and in the same sense, the victims' families, all of them, have a right to present. so there will be victims' families who want the death penalty and now there will be at least one victim's family who says we're okay with a life sentence. in the system that it works understand one concern they had was that a death penalty once imposed demands a certain level of appellate review, which means it demands many more years of uncertainty as to whether or not the case will come back and whether or not additional court hearings will be had. if a death penalty isn't imposed that he's in jail for the rest of his life, there will be some appeals but very few and then they have that finality that they want. that's worth a lot to a victim's family and it's ten times more expensive to put someone to death in this country than to keep them in jail until they die
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of natural causes. >> mark, this isn't just any family here. this family was front and center during this trial. i think this jury is now very familiar with what happened to martin richard. >> his clothes were presented as part of the evidence. >> how will the jury react? they may hear from the richards in the penalty phase. how does a jury process a request like that? how could you say no to that family if you're in that jury? >> well, you know, jurors are very smart. we just saw that with the hernandez case. insight into how jurors think. they think and look at everything as will this jury. they'll give this family a lot of credit for taking on this role, this idea of forgiveness of sorts. they will take it in context with everybody else. not to diminish the loss that the other victims' families go through but you're right. losing an 8-year-old son and maiming of your daughter, you would think that these people
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among all others would be the focus point for that type of retribution that you get from the death penalty. in the same sense, when they say don't do it, maybe we can all learn a little bit about systemic forgiveness. again, he'll die in prison but systemic forgiveness in the face of killing yet another person. >> mark o'mara, thanks very much. a moving statement from that family. we'll see the effect that it has. breaking news we want to tell you about right now. there's been an explosion in erbil in northern iraq. that explosion took place on the same road where the u.s. consulate is in erbil. also the kurdish regional government. erbil is an area in iraq that's been considered relatively safe over the years. the kurds control that area. now we have learned there's an explosion near the u.s. consulate. we do not know yet how bad this damage is, if anyone may have
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been wounded or killed in this attack. we'll keep our eye on this going forward. a lot going on in iraq right now with more violence there. >> we'll keep our eye on that. also ahead for us "at this hour," a major get. the man who was once saddam hussein's number two has reportedly been killed. more on what his role was and what his death will mean now for the war on terror. if yand you're talking toevere rheumyour rheumatologiste me, about a biologic... this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage. this is humira giving me new perspective. doctors have been prescribing humira for ten years. humira works for many adults. it targets and helps to block a specific source of inflammation
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breaking news out of iraq right now, we just learned there's been an explosion in the city of erbil not far from the u.s. consulate there. you can see erbil on the map in the north in the kurdish region of that country. the explosion happened on the same road that houses the u.s. consulate and kurdish regional government. we do not know the size of this blast yet or the range of injuries suffered there. we'll keep on following that for you and bring you more information as soon as we get it. >> we are also getting new information on the death of the last of saddam hussein's top lieutenants. izzat ibrahim al douri was killed in an operation near tikrit. important to this conversation, you were once a liaison officer in baghdad.
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let's discuss al douri and what kind of blow this could be for terrorist organizations like isis because there's a lot of talk about the role post-saddam that al douri played in establishing insurgency like isis and al qaeda in iraq in that country. colonel, what do you think? >> al douri has a long history. he was instrumental in the creation of the iraqi government and iraqi military and involved in the decision to go after the kurds in their own country. he's also been a very spiritual figure for saddam. he convinced saddam to wrap the war in desert storm around islam. he's an influential figure. after the american invasion in 2003, he became part of the insurgency and was an adviser to isis. his role was primarily that of
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recruiter and adviser. he'll be missed certainly. i don't think it's going to really temper what isis is doing. they have their own leadership. he's one of many. >> this guy was a serious player for a long, long time. one of the most wanted people on earth. certainly during the u.s. occupation there. there were rumors there before that he had been killed or captured. we don't have confirmation yet. i have to say we need that confirmation because timing would be convenient for the iraqi government as they battle the isis insurgency to be able to say that we got al douri. explain to me what role he's played the last year or two. the help that perhaps the sunni former insurgents have given to isis as isis has rampaged through that country. >> during the iraqi insurgency, he created this group that was a group of former saddam hussein loyalists, regime loyalists, who
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were fighting to restore sunni primacy. it's a marriage of convenience between his group and isis. when al baghdadi was in prison, he was able to create alliances with them after he got out of jail. he acted independently from isis but his group supported isis when they took control of mosul last june and all these other iraqi towns as well. and it's by no means confirmed that he's being killed. he's been reported dead or captured many times before. >> colonel, you know, when we have conversations about when leaders have been taken out, it does beg the question when you talk about insurgencies, the impact that has on the organization. when you -- if these leaders are taken out, is it more symbolic
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if al douri is captured or killed or does it have an impact on the organization on the ground? >> it will have an impact. every time you kill a leader of one of these terrorists organizations, they are replaced. they have a deep bench. the replacement generally isn't as competent as the one that's been removed. it impacts the organization. paul brings up good points about the actual relationship between al douri and isis. this will impact a lot of sunnis that are supporting isis as we know this is a -- as paul says, this is a marriage of convenience. it may impact that a little bit. is it going to impact isis' capability on the battlefield, i don't think so. >> wait to see if we get confirmation about whether this man was actually killed and more confirmation about the military operation that may have taken him out. that would be very interesting as well. paul cruickshank, lieutenant
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a change in the way the united states views and treats marijuana. >> our drug laws in this country as a whole need a revolution of common sense and compassion. >> for starters, it would do something scientists have been begging for. reschedule cannabis from schedule 1 to a much less restrictive schedule 2 controlled substance. >> once you make the class of drugs schedule 2, you can research it and find out what are medical impacts and when can you use it and when does it make sense. that's what's necessary. it's so simple. >> reporter: it would mandate more farms to grow research grade marijuana and allow greater access to it for those in need including veterans who would for the first time be able to get a prescription for medicinal marijuana from va hospitals. >> let's stop the pot hypocrisy. three presidents have admitted to smoking marijuana. people have said i have smoked marijuana recreationally. how much of a hypocrite do you
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have to be to say that i broke american laws using pot as a recreational thing and that i'm not going to support this idea that as a medicine for severely sick people that they shouldn't be able to access this drug. >> earlier we spoke with sanjay about why he thinks this federal measure is so bold and important. >> for starters, it would reschedule the substance from schedule 1 substance, which puts it in the highest schedule, to a much more lenient schedule too. right now it's preordained as being a drug of high abuse with no medicinal benefit. when you put it in schedule 2, it has accepted medicinal use and it changes the world for federal scientists and funding and for the amount of product that can be grown. it really makes research a lot easier. >> you heard senator booker in your interview talk about
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presidents who spoked pot or said they didn't smoked pot but did. you asked president obama about this legislation. where does he stand on it? >> the strongest i heard him talk about this. the idea that rescheduling it should be on the table. the idea that people who have legitimate uses for it should be able to get access to it and the idea that he acknowledged that ideology has trumped science for too long on this particular issue and it needs to change. he talked a lot about this when he was running for president eight years ago or six years ago. this is the first time that we've heard some of his most current positions with regard to reform specifically. >> you have a new op-ed out calling for a revolution in the way we think about marijuana in this country. this is now your third special on marijuana. it's called "weed 3." you have gone pretty far out there now. i can't imagine that 10 or 15 years ago you thought you would do this. how come you keep pushing this as hard as you do?
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>> i was against it for a while. i wrote articles in the past saying the evidence wasn't compelling around medical marijuana. we're spoon-fed so much of these thoughts even when you look at the literature in the united states, you come to realize over a 15-year period the vast majority of studies were designed to look for harm and not benefit. if you look at the science, you're getting a distorted picture. what i saw was not only can it work for people, many times it's the only thing that can work for people. so it almost became a moral issue in some ways that we would deny people this. will there be abuse? yeah. will there be those that just want to get high? yes. does that happen with other medications? certainly does. the stakes are high. are you going to deny people something that could work because you're concerned about those issues or do you try to correct those issues and make sure people get the care they need? >> our thanks to sanjay. "weed 3" sunday night at 9:00 eastern and pacific followed by
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moments ago an ohio man pleaded not guilty to federal charges of terrorism. that plea came a short time ago as we said in columbus, ohio pp 23-year-old abdirahman mohamud traveled to syria to train with extremists and came back to the u.s. to kill american soldiers. >> the alleged plot was foiled, plans stopped obviously, but this is the scenario that
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security experts have been warning long about. radicalized americans learning deadly terror tactics overseas and bringing those tactics home to put the training to use. let's discuss this with paul cruickshank back with pus. as we say this is what counterterrorism officials have long feared, you have american citizens, though, he was just a natural u.s. citizen, going abroad to get training, went to syria, coming back to commit acts of terror. do you think this continues to expose a problem or do you think this shows that the system works because they caught him? >> well, clearly the system works in this case, kate. they caught him. he had pretty poor operational trade craft. he was posting videos of himself in syria and sending them back to friends in the united states. that may have helped them catch him. but the worrying thing about this case is that he received according to his own account, explosive training and also shooting training with al qaeda
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in syria in some kind of terrorist training camp, sort of somebody able to come back to the united states and carry out potentially an attack and we've seen the last several years, really the years after 9/11, most serious plots against the west involved people who trained in terrorist training camps overseas. with the boston bombers, for example, they downloaded their instructions from the internet and their bombs, though very deadly in boston, were actually relatively weak. if they had managed to train in an al qaeda training camp overseas we could have seen many, many more people being killed in boston because they learn how to make much more powerful bombs. that's the worry here. >> this is no correspondent course. this was on hands training in syria. not necessarily isis but i don't think that necessarily matters. this guy was training with al qaeda or at least with terrorists inside the borders of syria and on his way back here. what kind of information now, he's going to be tried in court, so limited to what questions
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they can ask, intelligence officials what kind of information do you think they would like to get from this man right now? >> they could get an intelligence, mother load really from him if he were to start cooperating all about how al nusra is operating, the kind of training that they're offering recruits over there. but this really speaks to the al qaeda threat as well. isis has been stealing all the headlines recently, but al qaeda, ja bad al nusra the affiliate in syria, has been expanding in recent months. it took over control of the regional capital last month. it's got ties significant ties tohe core san group, trying to plan attacks against american aviation. al qaeda group may be a bigger threat to the united states in the long term than isis is. >> thanks so much. just to drive home the point he's been arrested, charged, in
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federal court, pled not guilty, but that's just beginning to see what happens in this case and many more. ahead for us "at this hour" if you're a republican with ambitions in 2016 you may find yourself in new hampshire. today definitely the home of the nation's first primary where everyone is going. why? we'll discuss. you're living wih diabetes, steady is exciting. only glucerna has carbsteady, clinically proven to help minimize blood sugar spikes. so you stay steady ahead.
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happening today, former arkansas governor mike huckabee expected to make his presidential intentions known. he's one of the many featured speakers at the republican leadership summit that is starting in new hampshire. >> they are pretty much all there in new hampshire, all these announced candidates, possible candidates, would-be candidates, exploring candidates. let's go to our washington correspondent jeff zeleny covering the presidential race which has started, thankfully. first of all, off the bat, what
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do we know about huckabee? is he? >> most advisers who are close to governor huckabee and a lot of early supporters from the 2008 campaign believe he's running. he won the iowa caucuses in 2008. we're going to get a better sense of that later today. most of his supporters believe he will be in this race which, of course, adds to the long, long list of people already in. some 19 candidates are in new hampshire today and tomorrow, john. >> what are they all going to do there? what will we hear from them. >> small state. >> that's a lot of candidates in a small state. >> more than one per county, actually. that includeds the longest of long shots. new hampshire is an equal opportunity if you say you're running you can come up and give a speech. we're watching what jeb bush is going to do. this is his second trip to new hampshire and chris christie was taking him on this week there. what engagement there will be among the republicans will be interesting to watch. they're all, you know, totally eager to go after president obama and hillary clinton who's
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also in the race, but will they go after each other? that's what we'll be watching for. >> hillary clinton, by the way, making her own trip to new hampshire next week. what does she want do there, jeff, that she didn't do in iowa? >> she basically wants to repeat what she did in iowa in new hampshire. her campaign believes her trip went very well, but she's changing some of her positions along the way. sort of refining her positions for 2016 from that 2008 campaign. so on gay marriage and if undocumented immy grants should have driver's licenses, updated her positionp. she's freshened them a little bit. she will be talking about that in new hampshire. not any big crowds, not any big rallies. just very small, controlled settings with people already supportive of her. >> jeff zeleny watching all 19 -- let's not call it -- call them candidates for the sake of it right now and then figure it out later, great to see you. >> sounds good. >> all right. great to see you all.
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>> thanks for joining us "at this hour. "president obama set to peek in the east room with the prime minister of italy, he will be taking questions on the key issues of today. our wolf blitzer picks up the coverage right now. i'm wolf blitzer we want to welcome our viewers from the united states and around the world. we're expecting president obama and the visiting prime minister to address reporters in the east room of the white house. live pictures right now. the two men, they've been meeting this morning. among the issues reportedly on the table the serious instability, crisis in libya, support for ukraine and efforts to battle isis. earlier they met in the oval office there. you see some pictures. let's go to our michele kosinski, white house correspondent. you're there in the east room, michele. set the scene for us. >> wolf, right. this is ready to go. secretary of state john kerry arrived, national security


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